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China vs India – who wins in the long run?

October 23, 2024

Presentation by professor Hubert Fromlet at LNUs Baltic Sea Region/Emerging Market/China Day, October 23, 2024, in Kalmar

In recent years, China and India have been frequently quoted as the main future challengers for Western economies. This may still be the case but things are changing. Both countries have their future opportunities. But they also have their future risks and challenges – risks and challenges that are, however, increasingly drifting apart from each other in these two giant countries.

Conclusion 1: The mentioned diverging trend of risks and challenges between China and India should be watched closely by business economists in the forthcoming years. However, China and India cannot be measured and analyzed with the same yardstick.

The conumdrum of the latest growth-supporting stimuli – however, long-term trends are more important

The official Chinese GDP-growth objective for 2024 has been set at “around 5 percent” in the beginning of this year. After +4.6 percent in Q3, the numerical goal of 5 percent may not be quite achievable for the whole year. However, Chinese leaders probably still want to meet their growth target.

During many years, Chinese GDP-growth numbers were extremely predictable due to ex ante politically set numbers which were, consequently, (mostly) not correct.

However, having then met the official growth target numerically did not mean that such a result was in line with reality. At least not according to historical experience. One may wonder whether these statistical question marks are still in place.

In the past few years, I sometimes heard that the quality of Chinese statistics finally has been improving. May be – may be not. We simply don’t know. 

These doubts are the price for many years of poor statistical standards. Institutional shortcomings like this are always difficult to repair and need therefore quite some time for gaining new or renewed trust. 

Considering China’s still uncertain statistical quality and all the current existing transparency problems, it seems to be doubtful to expect much progress of the latest Chinese liquidity and fiscal injections for supporting sluggish growth. First, the volumes of these measures are not known. Second, the size of the problems to be addressed such as the bubble in the real estate sector is also terra incognita.

Conclusion 2: It is impossible to predict the effects of the latest stimulation measures. All this is in uncharted waters – despite certain encouraging comments from financial markets. Instead, my own feeling is more skeptical or even pessimistic about the short-term outlook. However, the long-term issues should be more interesting all the same.

China’s long-term future looks may be even gloomy…

Also China’s published GDP- growth numbers have been clearly dampened in the past years, i.e. more than halved. Such a slowdown was certainly not expected by most forecasters – but it was not either unforeseeable when having looked at the already then obvious imbalances.

Many of these “old” imbalances still exist today such as local debt, bad loans, struggling state-owned enterprises and the problems on the real estate market. Today, I would like to focus on three specific issues that really motivate to have a gloomy view on China’s long-term perspectives. They are

¤  the negative impact on markets and growth derived from autocracy  

¤  the ongoing growth-impeding effects of the real-estate bubble

¤  the more or less unmanageable demographic implosion.

China’s nowadays applies a more and more autocratic system which certainly impacts negatively on the market economy, (private) initiatives, entrepreneurship, innovation, risk capital, financial markets, competition, etc. – and, consequently, on economic growth. A change of this political system does not seem to be on the cards – neither in the foreseeable nor in the unforeseeable future.

Despite all lagging transparency, we know that the enormous Chinese real-estate bubble already has been bursting. Almost 100 million apartments seem currently to be empty – in a situation where the real estate sector stands for a quarter of Chinese GDP. The extremely poor development of the real estate sector also had – and will have for the time being – very negative effects on consumer confidence and private consumption. Improvements of this critical issue are not on the cards – most probably not even in a longer perspective. 

When looking at structural impediments to future Chinese long-term growth, the demographic challenges clearly look most worrisome from a long-term investors’ point of view. Today, China has a population of 1400 million people. If we believe in (uncertain) estimates by the United Nations, this number will have shrunk to 640 million by the year 2100. Even if this decrease may turn out to become less dramatic, one can easily single out that China’s demographic outlook will have enormously negative consequences on GDP and the market potential for most (foreign) companies there.

Conslusion 3: Companies with business in China should watch demographic trends carefully because of changing demand patterns

and volumes.

… which makes India to “win” probably in the long run

About twenty years ago, I published an article with the same headline as set as the title of this presentation. At the time, China still was a strongly booming country with high, double digit growth rates. Economic problems were visible – but not really taken seriously by most Western economists and corporations. 

Then, I published an article with the title “The run to China – another example of herd behavior” (Economic & financial review : a journal of the European Economics and Financial Centre. – London, ISSN 1351-3621, ZDB-ID 12001399. – Vol. 12.2005, 3, p. 111-143). By writing this piece, I wanted to point at my view that Western decision-makers then had explored China’s political and economic trends insufficiently, or as one of my friends – then working for a major global company – put it by saying: “We invest a lot in China because all our major competitors are there”. In other words: Decisions were not really based on deeper analysis. Herd behavior dominated.

Areas where China already then was superior to India were in the early years of this century (and still are), for example, GDP per capita, infrastructure, education and health on broad levels, and probably also productivity growth. China started two decades ago becoming a global powerhouse whereas India at the same time still seemed to be quite isolated from the global scene.

On the other hand, India had already in the beginning of the 2000s a number of competitive advantages compared to China, for example: democracy, better – though not good – institutional conditions (transparency), a more developed financial system, more fundamental market economy and what may be called “more Western sympathy points”. Particularly this latter observation has become much more visible in the past few years, partly as a reaction on China’s increasing political autocracy and state interventionist economic policy against market principles.

If we go back 40 years, India’s and China’s nominal GDP were almost about the same. Now China’s GDP is almost five times larger than India’s. These figures demonstrate clearly that China in recent decades has been more successful in GDP terms than India. Also the GDP per capita development points at a much more favorable trend for China. Today, China is the largest economy in the world when measuring in purchasing power (PPP) and India number three (and number two and five when calculated in USD). 

Anyway, three main factors seem to make India to a long-term winner when comparing with China. Advantages for India are mainly

¤  the more favorable population outlook though India may face (slightly) shrinking numbers as well by the end of this century,

¤  at least according to the knowledge of today: a better political rule,

¤  higher potential GDP growth,

¤  more optimism for the future (but for how long?).

Conclusion 4: For the first time, I see now India as the future winner in the overall competition with China.

However, India’s major challenges should not be neglected either. Infrastructure is still poor. Education needs to be improved sharply in order to bring literacy to Chinese levels and for managing global competition. The environment and sanitation must be improved substantially, the access to water included. Economic inequality and the agricultural distress should be tackled much better.

All this means that also India must work hard to meet all the positive expectations inside and outside India.

In this context, it may be guiding to quote Nobel Laureate Paul Samuelson who described globalization to me around 25 years ago as a development that means that “there is no longer room for comfortable ineffectiveness”.

This conclusion is also relevant for India which has in the meanwhile become increasingly globalized – and will so even more in the future.

Hubert Fromlet
Affiliate Professor at the School of Business and Economics, Linnaeus University

India – Modi wants to win the election and act as the voice of the South

March 26, 2024

One month from now – on April 19 – general elections will start in India and include altogether seven stages until June 1. Almost one billion people are invited to vote – 150 million people more than last time.

Opinion polls point at a new victory for current Prime Minister Narendra Mori and his Hindi right wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) together with BJPs coalition partners (see my article from February 22 this year with the title “India isn’t easy to analyze and to deal with”, including comments on the economic development and challenges, https://blogg.lnu.se/china-research/?p=3501). Most observers expect the oppositional alliance called INDIA to weaken the position of the BJP – but not strongly enough to win.

Strengthening India’s voice of the South

There is no doubt that Modi during his assumed third mandate period aims at further strengthening India’s role as voice of the South, certainly in competition with China. Both countries appear to be quite different in their political approach vis-à-vis the southern world.

India seems to see the South in a collective view with visions of necessary common achievements in important areas such as less poverty, better health and environment but also non-violence in Gandhi’s historical spirit.

More exactly, the Indian government made the following comment in this context: ”India hosted a special virtual Summit, called the Voice of Global South Summit under the theme – ‘Unity of voice, Unity of purpose’ from January 12-13, 2023. It was a new and unique initiative that envisaged bringing together countries of the Global South and share their perspectives and priorities on a common platform across a whole range of issues…”.

India obviously strives to integrate the global South more visibly with the Western hemisphere – in line with its philosophy to see the whole world as one family (Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam).

China’s strategies on the other hand tend to base quite openly on commercial objectives, for example by producing and financing new infrastructure projects and by receiving in return access to important commodities or Taiwan issues. However, China also uses, for example, BRICS and the trade agreement RCEP as platforms for meeting the South multilaterally.

It may be interesting to see how India and China will compete in the South in the longer run. It seems to be on the cards that this competition will become fiercer.

Hubert Fromlet Affiliate Professor at the School of Business and Economics, Linnaeus University
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India isn’t easy to analyze and deal with

February 22, 2024

More or less simultaneously, India has more recently shown up as a new economic superstar in the global financial (corporate) world whereas China rather moved in the opposite direction. Western doubts about China have been increasing. However, this does not mean that India now appears as an easy-handled substitute for economic activities in China. India and China are very different countries in lots of aspects – analytically, commercially and culturally. For this reason, India and China should be treated as different countries also in most commercial respects.

Understanding India takes time

About 20 years ago, I wrote frequently that it would take time learning to understand China. But only in the past few years, most Western corporate leaders and analysts started to watch China with necessary analytical and questioning eyes – many years after the corporate herd run to China had started.

Today, there is again an obvious risk for premature conclusions on another giant country – the “continent” of India. But I am not arguing against Swedish or other foreign activities in India. Having followed the Indian development relatively closely in the past two decades, I feel pretty sure about the conclusion that India has developed into an interesting country for many Western companies. My point is another one.

Instead, my major general concern refers again to psychology which I did in a similar way some twenty years ago when I discussed the issue of corporate herd behavior to China, p 148.

Usually, economic herd behavior can be recognized particularly on financial markets – but it can be spread from there to other business sectors as well. Naïve decisions should be avoided.

Indian shortcomings    

Despite the fact that transparency in reality looks better in India than in China, one should not forget that Indian economic statistics have their shortcomings, too – partly caused by the enormous size of the country. Using the rankings of World Economics shows that India and China are located quite close to each other – both provided with the remark that economic statistics should be handled “with caution” (https://www.worldeconomics.com/DataQualityRatings/India.aspx).

The (partly) lagging quality of Indian economic statistics is one of many institutional shortcomings in the fifth largest economy in the world (lately having left the UK behind). By 2027, India hopes to be ranked as the number three economy on this globe.

Usually, corruption and bureaucracy are most frequently taken up as institutional obstacles in India but many other negative examples could be mentioned as well. On the other hand, institutional progress can be noted all the same (see the following official “marketing” remarks, https://www.ibef.org/economy/indian-economy-overvie).

Altogether, Indian improvements in the past few decades should, of course,  not be neglected. However, India still must be regarded as a slowly moving country – also when it comes to legislation.

Some of India’s most growth-hindering restrictions have now become more well-known in the Western corporate community. But at the same time, I have the feeling that the macroeconomic analysis of India to a high extent remains undervalued. India has also certain macroeconomic challenges.

Sure, India has managed quite reasonable GDP-growth rates in recent years, at the same time showing good resilience in a worrisome global economic world (which partly can be related to the less globalized economy compared to, for example, the Chinese conditions, and partly to certain structural improvements).

Domestic demand is the real strong driver of Indian economic growth and will remain so, also when considering the enormous improvement needs of the climate, energy, infrastructure, education and living conditions. In the longer run, however, India should also achieve solid fundamentals for export-driven growth.

It seems obvious that macroeconomic shortcomings should be considered as well. Inflation, for example, could be lower. The same can be said about unemployment – unfortunately affecting young unemployed academics as well. The balance on current account on the other hand seems currently in an improving shape.

But in the first place of concerns we find public debt for both the central government and the federal states. Unfortunately, statistics are not always handled very carefully. Financial analysts often only quote central government debt and forget about federal state debt. Altogether, Indian public debt can amount to something like 85 percent of GDP (two thirds for central government debt and about one third for the federal states). In December 2023, the IMF sent a warning to India about possible negative public debt prospects (https://thewire.in/government/imf-warns-india-on-debt-concerns-says-it-may-exceed-100-of-gdp-centre-disagrees). Something to relate to future economic growth.

High Indian expectations – can they be met?

It seems to be clear that India has become much more ambitious in recent years and wants indeed to become a global economic powerhouse – combined with stronger political influence on this globe. Being generally considered as the largest democracy in the world will continue to help a lot in the eyes of Western governments and corporate decision makers. I use to define this special Indian position by using the words “that India has more sympathy points in the West” (compared to the autocratic and still opaque country of China). 

So far, India has managed its sensitive relations to Russia quite well, i.e. without particularly irritating the Western hemisphere. But there exists also criticism against Prime Minister Modi’s consequent Hindi right-wing nationalist agenda. However, Narendra Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) – together with their coalition partners of the “National Democratic Alliance” – seem to have good chances to remain in power after the “Lok Sabha”-elections in (probably) April and May this year. Indian polls do not rule out some losses for the current coalition – but most probably without leading to a shift of government. Ongoing good growth prospects and India’s increasing role in international politics should contribute to another term for Modi and his coalition partners.

Strong winds of confidence are certainly blowing through India these days. Thus, India has officially declared to aim at a 7 percent GDP growth in both 2024 and 2025. Furthermore, the government has even set a considerably higher growth objective for the long run – by transforming India into a developed country by 2047!

An overoptimistic objective? Impossible to say such a long time in advance. However, I feel quite sure that the long road to a developed country must be paved by persistent and major institutional improvements and reforms. This is exactly what the Western corporate sector would like to see in the future.

Conclusion: Despite current good growth rates, India should not be regarded as an easy country to analyze and to deal with (see also my article on this topic from April 28, 2023, https://blogg.lnu.se/china-research/?paged=4).

Keep in mind now and in the future:  the understanding of India takes time!

Hubert Fromlet Affiliate Professor at the School of Business and Economics, Linnaeus University
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